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Re: Nouveautés et généralités sur les casques Kennerton

Message par Pierre Paya » mer. mai 05, 2021 3:12 am

Bonjour à tous,

Ce message a pour objectif de répondre clairement et "proprement" aux attaques dont nous avons fait l'objet, ma société et moi, de la part de Eric65 sur le forum Tellement Nomade (TN dont j'apprécie le verouillage immédiat du post concerné et l'excellente collaboration que j'entretiens avec les membres responsables)

Eric65 dit :

Une note rapide sur LSA (produits à bas prix fabriqués par Kennerton pour LSA).
J'ai lu sur le MoC (Le forum de Pierre Paya) que ces produits n'étaient pas disponibles à la vente en France; eh bien c'est faux!


Mr Valentin Kazanzhi Répond le 4 mai 2021 :

Kennerton is the manufacturer for the American LSA brand, which is owned by Underwood Hi-Fi, a company that has been well established in the American market for several decades. Kennerton is very appreciative and proud of this partnership. To be perfectly correct, all LSA models are different from Kennerton's basic models.

This is done for two reasons:

1. The LSA models are made with the LSA in mind, both in terms of sound and in terms of external differences. In fact, they are the same Kennerton, but they are completely different models, for all their external similarities. They are not worse or better - they are just different!
2. LSA models are not the same as Kennerton models because Kennerton is sold in various countries through distributors and dealers, while LSA is only direct sales through its own sales channel. And, with that in mind, it was suicidal for Kennerton to make identical models for other brands that may be available much cheaper in the market.
Thus, the LSA is a good product!
But it's not Kennerton in its full form, it's something similar, and at a lower price thanks solely to direct sales. It should be noted that Kennerton DOES NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO SELL LSA PRODUCTS! This is not possible and can be prosecuted! All the same is with the headphones made for German partner under his own brand Revitailer ( Oleg Lohnes).


Après que j'aie annoncé du retard pour l'arrivée en France du Rögnir, Eric65 dit :

Rögnir est actuellement disponible à la vente sur le site international de Kennerton (en 5 essences de bois différentes); rien à ce jour sur le site de notre importateur national nous disant que ce casque ne sera pas disponible avant un certain temps, alors que mon ami Ithilienrp sur head-fi vient de me dire que la production de son casque vient de s'achever et qu'il devrait donc recevez-le très bientôt

Mr Valentin Kazanzhi Répond le 4 mai 2021 :

Rognir is available to order in France !
But given the variety of designs, it would be best if the customers chose any of the options, ordered them from a distributor and Kennerton sent them all to France. It is very difficult for a distributor to anticipate what their customer will want in advance, and they do not have the ability to have all the variants in stock in lots of pieces. Especially since Kennerton itself cannot produce this model in large quantities. And now, at the start of sales, this model is available only to some of the most important partners for Kennerton (primarily France, USA, Israel, Germany and a few others). But anyway the samples in a few types of wood must be in stock in France next week!


Au sujet de possibles achats en direct sur le site Kennerton, Eric65 dit :

...De plus, c'est là, sur le site international de Kennerton, que j'ai acheté, sans aucun problème (paiement PayPal; livraison UPS en 3 jours ouvrés), mes derniers tampons Kennerton (ECL-01 et ECL-02) pour le Thror de mon fils, et c'est là (et / ou sur le site de vente Underwood Hifi) que j'achèterais mes prochains écouteurs Kennerton et / ou LSA.

Les prix affichés sur ces sites de vente en ligne sont totalement légaux, et finalement, le plus souvent, plus intéressants qu'en France, même en tenant compte de la TVA.


Mr Valentin Kazanzhi Répond le 4 mai 2021 :

Kennerton does not sell headphones to France, Germany or other countries where it has signed agreements.
But there are exceptions! First, there is the United States. Our distributor in the USA does not mind selling from our site, because, thanks to the low taxes in this country, it is easier for customers to buy it from the distributor than to wait for delivery from Russia. Customers from any country should remember that when ordering products from Kennerton site they will have to pay all taxes and duties when receiving their order! Maybe someone will be lucky and won't have to pay. But in 90% of cases the customs chooses the price of the model on the Internet, and the highest possible price, and charge the duty and VAT is from that price!
The only option when it makes sense to order a product from Kennerton's site is to buy B-Stock at a significant discount, or conversely, to order a customized version, which will end up being significantly more expensive for the customer. For absolutely obvious reasons, both can be sold to any country, as no distributor, dealer or reseller is interested in such product categories.
Kennerton has sold products to Guadeloupe once. It did. For some reason, the mailing program on the site gave the address of Guadeloupe as a separate island state. We had no idea it was a part of France !
Sorry for the mistake, we're not very good at geography. Honestly, there are a lot of such absurdities! For example, Macao is still not identified as China when shipped! Good thing I've been there many times, and I know it's now a part of China. In the end, the customer was referred to the Chinese distributor. We thinks that Guadelupa is an Carribean Island country, like Antigua & Bardabuda, Dominica, a.o.
But, of course, if a model or accessory is not available in one country or another, we reserve the right to sell it directly to the customer! For example, if a dealer in a country orders only Thekk, Wodan and Thror and flatly refuses to buy Magni, Vali and Gjallarhorn from us, then we have the FULL RIGHT to sell those missing models in that country!
Agree, for example, if the exclusive distributor has a contract with MAZDA and buys and sells exclusively RX8 model only, then MAZDA has every right to supply this country simpler models directly. Especially since many customers are more interested in an inexpensive MAZDA 6 or 3, rather than the RX-8.


A ma question : Eric a t-il commandé sur votre site ?

Mr Valentin Kazanzhi Répond le 4 mai 2021 :

Eric asked me about ear cushions from our website (and we also replaced the leather headband parts for him for free, since Pierre didn't have these ear cushions in stock at the time.
But that's not the main thing !
We were very sad that in the photos that Eric posted so many times on the internet, his Odin, which is a VERY OLD YEAR LATER, does not look as good as it should! Especially since all of our models have gotten so much better since then, especially in terms of leather details. So we decided to make these Odin more aesthetically pleasing by replacing all the leather parts. So it was the main reason: Because this Odin looked very aged in the photo. And we don't asked about any extrapayment for it. Especially since Eric is one of Kennerton's oldest and most important customers!

No more than that !

But he can't order headphones from us either. Rules are rules. Unless B-Stock...Or something exlusive and customized...As an example, I had a talking with another very good customer from France, Milan. He also asked about the ear cushions. I promised him to send them to Pierre along with the Rögnir. But no way to sell them directly! Why would we want to do that?


Pierre

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Re: Nouveautés et généralités sur les casques Kennerton

Message par Luke » mer. mai 05, 2021 6:34 am

Bonjour Pierre

Et bien il y a de l’ambiance :roll:

Ces comportements irrationnels m’ont toujours intrigué ! Pourquoi être sans arrêt dans l’amertume, l’envie, la jalousie, la bataille au lieu juste d’avancer et de vivre ?
Malheureusement on le constate tous les jours, à tous les niveaux mêmes dans ceux qui gouvernent notre monde. On est pas près d’évoluer avec ce genre de comportement.

Tu fais comme tu veux, mais avec les Trolls comme il est dit il ne faut pas les alimenter au risque de les voir proliférer. Au pire tu portes plainte et que cette plainte soit rapportée aux différents responsables des forums cela devrait le calmer s’il obligé de s’excuser ouvertement.

Bonne journée

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Re: Nouveautés et généralités sur les casques Kennerton

Message par Pierre Paya » mer. mai 05, 2021 8:24 am

Bonjour Jean-Luc,

Oui, je ne comprends pas non plus et ce n'est pas l'historique de nos échanges, ici même, avec Eric, qui m'aide à mieux comprendre....

Avancer et juste vivre plutôt que de choisir la bataille, tu as raison bien sûr.

J'aime la série "Wiking" mais le temps de se battre pour s'occuper n'est plus le notre...

Pierre

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Re: Nouveautés et généralités sur les casques Kennerton

Message par Romain » ven. mai 07, 2021 2:25 pm

Bonjour à tous,

Eric a sa propre nature. On y adhère ou non...

J'ai personnellement ma propre opinion à son sujet et je pense qu'il est inutile de s'en soucier à moins que cela relève du pénal (Et encore, quand on connait l'état de notre justice en France comme je peux la connaitre...).

Comme d'autres avant lui, il finira catalogué voire complètement oublié des personne un tant soit peu "câblées". ;)

Amicalement

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